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orpheus
 06 Oct 2008, 05:54 #45575 Reply To Post
This one took my breath away.

"it was a really wonderful read. I strongly urge you to upload a much larger portion next time.

I loved your writing style. You are indeed a superb writer. You have great talent, without a shadow of doubt. There’s something rather grandfatherly or grandmotherly or patriarchal /matriarchal about your flourishes, witticism, irony, the lot. Personally I adored it all.

Some of your description in its simplicity was stunning. I am not overstating that! For example:
“There were many skulls bleached a ghostly white, housing schools of little silvery fish that swam in and out of where the eyes and mouths used to be.”
I found this outstanding. Others may disagree. I don’t care. For me this is totally brilliant description which, in it’s cute slick simplicity creates a most fabulous and imaginative image.

I thought your humour was terrific too. Made me giggle my socks off! You have a bold and super sense of humor in your writing. Rococo would rather have been a dragonfly than a crocodile, for example. Lovely!

I found it rather adult actually. I found it almost “Jonathan Livingstone Seagull”-esque. Thus, I was racking my brains in working out what age level kids this work would be appropriate for. On the one hand, it is a simple story with almost picture book images. Yes, it would truly make a gorgeous picture book. On the other hand, the humour is surreal, sophisticated, and for whom. The kids would probably not get the half. That can be good, because many times parents read for kids - and even Hollywood tries to make kids’ movies that adults can enjoy when they accompany their kids. I personally adored the jokes and ironies but I am sure the kids would miss a lot." - Cedric

click here to read : Mummy Moo, Crazy Claws & Rococo
JohnnyVee
 06 Oct 2008, 09:33 #45580 Reply To Post
Quote: orpheus, Monday, 6 Oct 2008 05:54
This one took my breath away.

"it was a really wonderful read. I strongly urge you to upload a much larger portion next time.

I loved your writing style. You are indeed a superb writer. You have great talent, without a shadow of doubt. There’s something rather grandfatherly or grandmotherly or patriarchal /matriarchal about your flourishes, witticism, irony, the lot. Personally I adored it all.

Some of your description in its simplicity was stunning. I am not overstating that! For example:
“There were many skulls bleached a ghostly white, housing schools of little silvery fish that swam in and out of where the eyes and mouths used to be.”
I found this outstanding. Others may disagree. I don’t care. For me this is totally brilliant description which, in it’s cute slick simplicity creates a most fabulous and imaginative image.

I thought your humour was terrific too. Made me giggle my socks off! You have a bold and super sense of humor in your writing. Rococo would rather have been a dragonfly than a crocodile, for example. Lovely!

I found it rather adult actually. I found it almost “Jonathan Livingstone Seagull”-esque. Thus, I was racking my brains in working out what age level kids this work would be appropriate for. On the one hand, it is a simple story with almost picture book images. Yes, it would truly make a gorgeous picture book. On the other hand, the humour is surreal, sophisticated, and for whom. The kids would probably not get the half. That can be good, because many times parents read for kids - and even Hollywood tries to make kids’ movies that adults can enjoy when they accompany their kids. I personally adored the jokes and ironies but I am sure the kids would miss a lot." - Cedric

click here to read : Mummy Moo, Crazy Claws & Rococo


How would I feel if I got a review like this?
I would be on cloud nine, firstly, and then I'd say thank you.

Thing is, you have posted Matt's review and left out all the negative things he had to say. So really, what are you trying to do here? Advertise your work?
I can't guess.

Matt is the best kidlit critter I have come across. He knows what he's talking about.
If you get a review from Matt Cohn, thank him dearly, then think long and hard on his advice. He's a damn good writer.

This post was last edited by JohnnyVee, 06 Oct 2008, 09:34

Opinion is ultimately determined by the feelings, and not by the intellect.— Herbert Spencer (1820–1903)
Willie Boy
 06 Oct 2008, 19:51 #45641 Reply To Post
Like Johnny, I'd be over the moon and say thank you.

But I too don't know what you're trying to do here. I guess you're trying a bit of self-publicity. Well, that's up to you.

But if you're going to post a review of your work, a review written by someone else, I suggest you post the whole thing. It's misrepresentative otherwise.
orpheus
 07 Oct 2008, 03:22 #45658 Reply To Post
Well, duh, of course I'm advertising my work. What do you think this board is for? Or do you guys - Johnny Vee and Willie Boy, feel that is beneath you?
Lorraine
 07 Oct 2008, 06:50 #45662 Reply To Post
Quote: orpheus, Tuesday, 7 Oct 2008 03:22
Well, duh, of course I'm advertising my work. What do you think this board is for? Or do you guys - Johnny Vee and Willie Boy, feel that is beneath you?
Hi Orpheus, I think you might be confusing this message board with the one on Authonomy where there is a Shameless Plugs section. This is a different type of site altogether. Even if someone reads your plug, and gives you a non-assigned review, it isn't going to move you up the charts. Only assigned reviews can do that and those are given randomly.
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madridhibs
 07 Oct 2008, 07:15 #45664 Reply To Post
Please, don't let this board turn into the ones on authonomy . . .
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NickP
 07 Oct 2008, 09:18 #45672 Reply To Post
I don't see why people shouldn't plug their books here.

After all by next year there will be a goodly number for sale on the site and plugs will arrive by a blizzard load.

Might as well get used to it!
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Willie Boy
 07 Oct 2008, 09:48 #45677 Reply To Post
Quote: orpheus, Tuesday, 7 Oct 2008 03:22
Well, duh, of course I'm advertising my work. What do you think this board is for? Or do you guys - Johnny Vee and Willie Boy, feel that is beneath you?


'Duh' all you like sunshine. The point remains.

Posting a selectively edited review, highlighting the positives and concealing the negatives, is misrepresentative and insults the original reviewer. (A reviewer who, in this case, went to a lot of trouble.)

But what the hell. It's yourself you're fooling. Nobody else.

Good luck to you.

Lorraine
 07 Oct 2008, 10:25 #45678 Reply To Post
Quote: Willie Boy, Tuesday, 7 Oct 2008 09:48
Quote: orpheus, Tuesday, 7 Oct 2008 03:22
Well, duh, of course I'm advertising my work. What do you think this board is for? Or do you guys - Johnny Vee and Willie Boy, feel that is beneath you?
'Duh' all you like sunshine. The point remains.

Posting a selectively edited review, highlighting the positives and concealing the negatives, is misrepresentative and insults the original reviewer. (A reviewer who, in this case, went to a lot of trouble.)

But what the hell. It's yourself you're fooling. Nobody else.

Good luck to you.
It also puts the reviewer in an invidious position. If he doesn’t correct the misrepresentation, he is allowing his words to endorse wholeheartedly something he did, in fact, have qualms about. If he does correct the misrepresentation by pointing out his reservations on here, he comes across as mean-spirited. Considering the effort the reviewer put into helping this author, I feel it is unfair that he has been placed in this no-win situation.
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madridhibs
 07 Oct 2008, 12:24 #45699 Reply To Post
I couldn't agree more. You were given a great review - full of praise, criticism where it was felt needed and advice on how to progress. Most members would give their eye teeth to have something so helpful. It does feel as if you've belittled the reviewer by this.

And we could all do this. I have a "one of the best things I've read on YWO" to treasure for always. Sadly, putting it into context, the reviewer was praising only one scene.

However, because the review was so honest with the rest of the critique, the praise gave me something to aim for. He felt I could do wonders, I just need to learn consistency.

That's what you should be so happy about - that the reviewer gave you so much help. Not just cherrypick the best parts.
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MJ26
 07 Oct 2008, 22:33 #45779 Reply To Post
Is this the same story another reviewer said was "difficult and tedious to read" which would be "confusing to children who are already struggling with gender" and "makes no sense at all"?
A bit mean perhaps, (and sincere apologies to the reviewer) but the lesson is that we could ALL plaster this board with judiciously edited versions of reviews with the intention of attracting....what? Awe? Admiration?
As already said, there is no advantage on this site to bulling up your work. Your inept, and inapt, response to an excellent, thoughtful, and well considered review has probably lost you more readers than you hoped to have gained.
This post was last edited by MJ26, 07 Oct 2008, 22:35
sophiemp
 07 Oct 2008, 22:44 #45780 Reply To Post
If someone wants to endorse your book, they'll start a thread themselves in this forum.

Your reviewer didn't write these words to endorse you; he wrote them to help you improve your work.
orpheus
 08 Oct 2008, 17:22 #45863 Reply To Post
Interesting how a couple of the critics chastising me for plugging this story had links plugging their own stories, websites and blogs. Nice bit of hypocrisy guys.
Also, next time you people bother to read a book, try looking at the back and inside covers where the 'shamelessly positive' edited reviews are placed to help sell it.
And finally when you have the possibility of removing one of your reviews, which one do you remove? The good one or the bad one?

By the way I have clicked on each of your links going back to your story pages. But I suppose that isn't promoting your work either, right?
This post was last edited by orpheus, 08 Oct 2008, 17:37
madridhibs
 08 Oct 2008, 17:53 #45865 Reply To Post
Where do I (or the others) have a carefully edited quote saying how great my blog is on the signature? (Which it is, of course )

We're just saying, the point of YWO is not to say: "Look how good this reviewer says I am" but to learn from what they say (and has been said that was a great review for that). We can all put on edited critiques about our work as most of them will have at least one positive thing to say about the work. As has been said, if the reviewer thought that much about your work, there is a forum for them to say so.
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sophiemp
 08 Oct 2008, 18:00 #45869 Reply To Post
Quote: orpheus, Wednesday, 8 Oct 2008 17:22
Interesting how a couple of the critics chastising me for plugging this story had links plugging their own stories, websites and blogs. Nice bit of hypocrisy guys.
Also, next time you people bother to read a book, try looking at the back and inside covers where the 'shamelessly positive' edited reviews are placed to help sell it.
And finally when you have the possibility of removing one of your reviews, which one do you remove? The good one or the bad one?

By the way I have clicked on each of your links going back to your story pages. But I suppose that isn't promoting your work either, right?



Next time YOU bother to read a book, notice that the blurbs used to sell it come from professional writers who have been specifically asked to review the book, and not from a random assignment on a peer review site.
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